Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Women's Liberty in Arabia



Since I currently work in Saudi I’d thought I share a few facts about the way it is for women here in Saudi.

Saudi women are generally not allowed to work in their country. In spite of the fact that around 70% of Saudi women go to university they make up around only 5% of the total workforce.

Women cannot testify in a Saudi court of law unless it was a personal matter that did not happen in the sight of men (except presumably a male defendant if she is testifying against him). Non-Muslims, male and female, cannot testify in a Saudi court whatsoever. When a woman testifies it is treated as a presumption rather than a fact.

Women are not allowed to drive motor vehicles or ride bicycles on public roads in Saudi Arabia.

Woman citizens of Saudi are prohibited from marrying non-Muslims.

Women, especially Saudi women, are required to wear ‘abaya’ in public. The abaya is an overgarment that goes from the shoulders right down to the ankles. Traditionally it is black and most women’s abayas are black. They are also required to cover their heads with a scarf. Many also cover their faces. Foreign women (especially non-Muslim) do not have to wear the abaya but they are required when in public to be modestly dressed and that means long sleeves, full length trousers or skirts and they should not show too much neck.

Above is a picture of Moon dressed in her abaya. Suits her don’t you think? Moon came to stay with me here in Saudi during the last two weeks in July.

Women cannot generally go anywhere in public without being accompanied by a male relative. There is a provision that the male can be a young boy. I have seen women here in the supermarkets seemingly without their men but almost always they are in the company of one or more other women. From what I understand, women who go anywhere without a male relative, have to have the permission of their husbands.

What some call gender apartheid is prevalent. Segregation of male and females in public places is commonplace such as waiting rooms in hospitals and banks. Beaches and restaurants have areas segregated for families and non-families. That means you can only go to the family section when you are in the company of your spouse and or children.

Daniel McNeill in his book published in 2000 The Face: A Natural History wrote:

Most Saudi homes have one entrance for men, another for women. Women ride in the back of the bus in Riyadh, and enter it through a separate door. Until 1981 a woman couldn't meet her spouse unveiled till after the wedding. Saudi daughters inherit half as much as sons. Amusement parks and skating rinks have segregated hours, so families cannot visit together. Saudi banks are so segregated that only female auditors examine women's accounts. Medicine is the sole career where the sexes mix, because, though fundamentalists object to women doctors touching male patients, there aren't enough male physicians to go around.”

Women following Muslim practices under Sharia law are not supposed to make eye contact with any male except their spouse and perhaps certain family members such as their sons and fathers.

Under Saudi Basic Law women are denied participation in public law or government. They do however have the right to own property, transact business and have their bank accounts in addition to their husband’s support.

A Saudi woman cannot leave the country without her husband’s or father’s permission and almost never without being accompanied by a male relative.

In 1978 the late and well known American feminist Andrea Dworkin wrote about Saudi Arabia:

“Seductive mirages of progress notwithstanding, nowhere in the world is apartheid practiced with more cruelty and finality than in Saudi Arabia. Of course, it is women who are locked in and kept out, exiled to invisibility and abject powerlessness within their own country. It is women who are degraded systematically from birth to early death, utterly and totally and without exception deprived of freedom. It is women who are sold into marriage or concubinage, often before puberty; killed if their hymens are not intact on the wedding night; kept confined, ignorant, pregnant, poor, without choice or recourse. It is women who are raped and beaten with full sanction of the law. It is women who cannot own property or work for a living or determine in any way the circumstances of their own lives. It is women who are subject to a despotism that knows no restraint. Women locked out and locked in.”

The severity of the situation today has probably lessened somewhat than what it may have been in 1978 but how can we know for sure that in some remote parts of the country that this kind of extreme injustice isn’t still going on?

Saudi Arabia is a country that practices both capital and corporal punishment. According to an article in the Daily Telegraph there were 191 public executions in 2005. So far this year (2007) to July there have already been 107 public executions including just 3 women. There is a case going on at present concerning a Sri Lankan maid who was working for a Saudi family. She was 17 years old and had only just come into the country. She has been sentenced to death by beheading for strangling a four month old boy. The girl now 19 and whose job as a maid was not meant to include child care now denies this and says she was forced to sign a confession under duress and that he was choking on the milk and she tried to save him but to no avail. The girl was denied a lawyer to represent her in court.

The last I have heard was a report in the Times on 26th July that says:

It was only when the BBC World Service radio reported on the case in Sinhala, the main language of Sri Lanka, that the Asian Human Rights Commission intervened. It raised £20,000 to hire a Saudi lawyer and accused the Sri Lankan Government publicly of failing to protect its citizens. Last week, the Government sent Hussein Bhaila, a deputy foreign minister, to Saudi Arabia along with Nafeek’s parents, who visited her in prison yesterday. “Emotionally and mentally, she’s very down,” Mr Bhaila told The Times.”

In the case of women migrants, especially domestic workers to Saudi families, there is a lot of abuse going on. Presently the Sri Lankan, Malaysian and Philipino embassies can have as much as 150 women in embassy shelters because of abuse at the hands of their employers. This may only represent the tip of the iceberg of the actual amount of abuse still going on.

Saudi Arabian men can have up to four wives at any one time according to Islamic law. And many wealthy Saudis do just that. Tribal societies still exist in Saudi Arabia. There was a report in the media (I recommend following the last link below) in January 2005 about a very wealthy 64 year old tribal chief who was a shepherd turned business man - Mr Al-Sayeri and at the time of the report he had already married 58 wives, although only four at any one time. Whilst Mr Al-Sayeri is more of an extreme example, Saudi men having several wives during the course of their lives is much more common than first meets the eye.

References:

Daily Telegraph article; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=45BQVYBAZNEV1QFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/07/16/wsaudi116.xml

The Times;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2141360.ece

Anything & Everything Blog;
http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/teenage-girl-faces-beheading-in-saudi-arabia/

Sex Segregation in Islam;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_segregation_in_Islam#_note-13

Polygamy in Saudi;
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-01-01-saudi-polygamy_x.htm

Other sources used:

Wikipedia on Human Rights.


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I had an absolutley gorgeous Saudi friend, whose husband was with the embassy here...obviously from a wealthy family, obviously well-educated, charming, polite, and gracious. She once had a coffee at her home to try to explain Saudi customs...and why it was such a good deal for women. She didn't get too far with us westerners. She had four or five children at the time and became pregnant (against her wishes) just before they were stationed to China. She left Spain in fear of her life because she would have to deliver the baby in a Chinese hospital...(full of infidels) and was hoping to return to Saudi to wait for the baby while her husband went to China. I have no idea what happened to her...I lost touch after she left. But, I adored her... I've had one or two other Saudi aquaintances here...most Saudi women with the embassy don't go out much...one of the reasons is that Spaniards keep dogs and are not at all good about cleaning up after them...so going out for a walk is almost impossible for them, as it is against their religion...it's unclean. Like all women, I long for the liberation of women all over the world. I wish we in the west set a better example with our liberty than we do. If all I were a Saudi Muslim woman, with Britany Spears and Paris Hilton as the only western women I was familiar with...I'd stay covered up and in the house, too.

Wednesday 29 August 2007 - 07:30AM (PDT)

Hi Anne... on what you have just shared I have to agree with you. I've not had as much opportunity to have open talk with Saudi women while here which is a huge shame. While Moon was with me I could have had the opportunity to visit a family home as a guest but unfortunately in those two weeks that she was here my closest Saudi colleagues were all on holiday.

I am aware that many Saudi women are comfortable in this lifestyle. It is the culture and religion that they've been brought up in. Even those Saudi wives who have had the opportunity to go abroad still feel that their way of life is fine and perfectly right.

The quality of family life in Saudi Arabia for many is in fact very good. The men do look after their wives very well indeed. And for many wives, being behind the veil is very comforting and secure. They feel very special having a body that is hidden from the world and that belongs only to the eyes of their husbands.

I wish I could have more opportunity to hear more from the Saudi women of how they really feel about their lives.

One thing I am sure of is that there are many women who hate the life they have to live in Saudi. For women who for whatever reason cannot be part of family life, and there are plenty of them, I think the situation can be extremely difficult for them.

Wednesday 29 August 2007 - 02:51PM (GMT)

Thank you so much for sharing this...for myself I know I would find it difficult to be there very long at all. I wish we could take some of the best parts of the many different cultures and put them all together. The life of a married woman there sounds like it has some positives; but the general lack of respect of women in general would be abhorrent to me and I would not feel safe there at all.

Wednesday 29 August 2007 - 09:08AM (MDT)

Power is a terrible thing to have over another human being. Each person should have their own power over their own lives and their own destiny, without being permitted to hurt anyone else of course. I have been a very lucky woman...living as I do at this point in history. The great evolution on women's rights, which started actually as a result of the industrial revolution, and gathered tremendous steam at the turn of the century, has allowed me to live well and pretty much as I wish. As this light of freedom shines brighter...eventually women living in the darkeness in oppressed societies will see it and want to bask in its warmth.

Wednesday 29 August 2007 - 10:45AM (PDT)

Lucky me, I am not an Arab woman! I think they are beautiful anyway(under their marks/clothes).

Thursday 30 August 2007 - 02:09PM (ICT)


i am for sure that for me... there is not a job anywhere nor money to follow that would make me think that i needed to work, live, visit where you are...

this helps remind me that my part-time job, my crappy love-life, and my low job skills make me far more happier than any $$$$ i once thought could...

thanks for this blog-post!

Monday 17 September 2007 - 02:07AM (CDT)

Monday, August 27, 2007

When Heaven Vibrates

It's Monday morning and you need something to put a smile on your face?

How about this version of the Lord's Prayer?


My vibro, which brings me heaven, rabbit be thy name, till kingdom come,

thou makest me come, on earth with eyes on heaven. Give me this day my

daily orgasm and forgive me my screams as I forgive flat batteries. Lead me

not into temptation but deliver me from frustration for thine is the

rotation, the power and the buzzing for ever and ever no men.


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LOL love it....... I did once write a poem to mine :0
and thanks for the comment on my comments on Will's blog. It is nice when u know others appreciated what u had to say. U did very well yourself in that area too :)

Monday 27 August 2007 - 07:16AM (MDT)


Saturday, August 25, 2007

Just call me Abe!




Above is a picture of me in 1966 when I was about 3 to 4 months old with my brother.
The Famous Person I am apparently similar to...
So watch out! I must not be good on civil wars! But does that mean I'm not good at pacifying family disputes? I did say in my earlier post that I like sitting on the wall which unfortunately I suppose lends itself to making me vulnerable to being shot at from both sides... Really I was hoping to be like Einstein.
Below are the results of a personality test I took on similarminds.com
Advanced Global Personality Test Results
Extraversion |||||||||||| 50%
Stability |||||||||||||||| 66%
Orderliness |||||||||||||||| 63%
Accommodation |||||||||||||| 56%
Interdependence |||||||||||||||| 63%
Intellectual |||||||||||||||| 63%
Mystical |||| 16%
Artistic |||||||||||| 43%
Religious |||||| 30%
Hedonism |||||| 30%
Materialism |||||||||||||||| 70%
Narcissism |||||||||||||| 56%
Adventurousness |||||||||||||| 56%
Work ethic |||||||||||| 50%
Self absorbed |||||||||||||||| 63%
Conflict seeking |||||||||| 36%
Need to dominate |||||||||||| 43%
Romantic |||||||||||||| 56%
Avoidant |||||| 23%
Anti-authority |||||||||||||| 56%
Wealth |||||||||||| 50%
Dependency |||| 16%
Change averse |||||||||||||||| 63%
Cautiousness |||||||||||||||| 63%
Individuality |||||||||||| 50%
Sexuality |||||||||||||||| 63%
Peter pan complex |||||||||| 36%
Physical security |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Physical Fitness |||||||||||| 50%
Histrionic |||||| 30%
Paranoia |||||| 30%
Vanity |||||||||||||||| 70%
Hypersensitivity |||||||||||| 43%
Indie |||||||||||| 45%
Take Free Advanced Global Personality Test
personality tests by similarminds.com
I took the test twice. The decription for Stability and orderliness came out exactly the same in both tests but the extraversion came out as moderate in the first test and moderately high in the second. I took the test again because I'd lost the descriptive part of the results the first time. The table above is from the first test.

Stability results were moderately high which suggests you are relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic.

Orderliness results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly organized, reliable, neat, and hard working at the expense of flexibility, efficiency, spontaneity, and fun.

Extraversion results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly talkative, outgoing, sociable and interacting at the expense of developing your own individual interests and internally based identity.

trait snapshot:

social, outgoing, worry free, optimistic, upbeat, tough, likes large parties, makes friends easily, rarely irritated, open, enjoys leadership, trusting, dominant, thrill seeker, strong, does not like to be alone, assertive, mind over heart, confident, controlling, feels desirable, likes the spotlight, loves food, social chameleon, hard working, concerned about others.
Conclusions: I must be a bit dishonest with myself because I don't believe I'm an extravert.


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Some disagreements: I tend to see myself as flexible & efficient. Large parties are ok but I wouldn't go so far as to say I like them a lot. I sometimes find making friends difficult & even frustrating. I can enjoy leading but I'm no natural at it. I'm too soft to be particularly dominant, assertive or controlling. I only enjoy the spotlight if it's going well and others are enjoying it too.

Saturday 25 August 2007 - 07:31AM (GMT)

He, he, he...you can call me Ghandi... Actually, it's kind of true...I value morality and doing the right thing, and admire this man for the nerve he had to stick by his convictions, no matter the cost to him personally. But, I am by no means that much of a goody-goody...I would cave in, if facing the entire British Government. I'm too much of a chicken. Thanks for the interesting morning of test taking.

Saturday 25 August 2007 - 03:04AM (PDT)

Saturday, August 18, 2007

Sitting on the Wall... Thomas Jefferson.





I go by the icon of a bird. Whether it was a purely coincidental choice or subconsciously deliberate I cannot say. The bird is blue and the bluebird is a renowned symbol for happiness. The bird is a dodo and dodos are dead. Perhaps what I am is dead to ignorance and indifference.

Birds often perch on a fence or a wall. That’s good because I can see down onto either side of the wall. I can see the good and bad of both worlds. From the wall I can see if the grass is greener on one side or the other. On one side I can see the cat hiding in the long grass with its tail slowly swinging from side to side. I know it’s after me… But on the other side there is a big dog sleeping his cares peacefully away. On the wall I am happy and I can sing and I am safe…

Or am I safe? There’s a boy playing on the same side as the dog. For now he’s chucking stones into the pond. If I continue my chirping for much longer he might just soon be throwing them at me… You see… Sitting on the wall I can be hit from either side…

When I die it might be the same as it was before I was born. And I have no pre-birth memories so perhaps I didn’t exist. And if it is the same after this life then there is nothing to fear. When I die I might find I can still think and therefore still am! Well jolly good if so, I’ll simply embark upon it as a new day in a new situation. Until then I shall be the jolly bird sitting on the wall as happy as can be. I’ll listen to the noises made on both sides; I shall enjoy them and be fascinated in all things new whichever side they come. I shall be as fair as fair can be. I shall take flight from the perils of ignorance and learn as much from all that I see. Sitting on the wall of life is good and I make it so.

But that brings me to…

Thomas Jefferson!

Let’s suppose I’m sitting on the wall of American past history and American present politics.

I don’t know what Jefferson’s final words were before his death on the 50th anniversary of the declaration of Independence but he instructed that his tombstone shall read:

HERE WAS BURIED THOMAS JEFFERSON

AUTHOR OF THE DECLARATION OF AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE

OF THE STATUTE OF VIRGINIA FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

AND FATHER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA

On reading the declaration of independence I should like to highlight the following part of it:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I rather like that sentence!

In drafting the declaration, Jefferson helped in establishing a nation free and independent of a state mal-influenced by a corrupted church and religious laws.

In writing the statute of religious freedom for the State of Virginia he sought to establish the rights of men not to be forced to practice any religion against his will, and to be permitted to freely express his religious opinion and that civil rights do not depend on religion.

And then perhaps for a moment you can imagine a wall, where upon the blue bird is perched… the wall of separation.

To one side is the garden of the church and to the other is the wilderness of the world. As described by Baptist theologian Roger Williams and used by Jefferson to describe the First Amendment to the US Constitution which effectively says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

In founding the University of Virginia he sought an educational establishment unbiased of religion and with a diversification of subjects such as astronomy, architecture, botany, philosophy and political science.

Quoting Jefferson from Phillips Russell’s - Jefferson, Champion of the Free Mind

"This institution will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind. For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.”

Jefferson even opposed that theology should ever be taught at the university. (In spite of that the university now boasts one of the most highly rated religious studies program. It also has a ‘non-denominational’ chapel.)

I see there has been an ongoing debate about what Jefferson’s private religious beliefs were. Many say he was a deist, others say he was a Christian theist and still others say he was practically an atheist. I think he wound up in life as a deist with atheistic sympathies, but that is besides the point. Jefferson provided the framework for people to respect one another’s beliefs and perhaps to find a way to live in harmony with one another.

Now let us suppose as I sit on the wall I turn to look to the present day politics of the US.

I hear of such books like that of Kevin Phillips – American Theocracy (which I’ve not read) but I have read an article on the internet by him which gives a summary called Theocons and Theocrats

I’ve searched around to try and get a balanced view. I’m satisfied he’s not a crank or an alarmist. His statements appear to be accurate and not exaggerated. And his concerns are real.

I have also read an article by Gary Wills called Country of Faith issued in the New York Review of books Vol 53 No 18 dated 16th November 2006.

Reading both these articles I find that what appears to be happening to be very disturbing.

Gary Wills’ article is about a silent ‘invasion’ of the Whitehouse by right wing evangelicals. In it is a quote by former attorney general John Ashcroft who once addressed an audience at Bob Jones University and said “We have no king but Jesus” and he called Jefferson’s wall of separation between church and state a “wall of religious oppression”.

I read of things like faith-based initiatives in law-enforcement, education, medicine, science, war and justice. I hear of the increasing roles of religious institutions in politics, business and economics, Christian Zionism, Christian Reconstructionalism, I hear of infringements of women’s civil liberties in respect to numerous issues including abortion, a rise of homophobia, a campaign against the separation of church and state, schools teaching creationism, stem cell research being banned… to mention but a few things all as a direct result of the influence of right wing evangelicals.

Now with all due respect to the belief of evangelicals – I used to be one; people need to be extremely careful about what’s happening here. People following their evangelical beliefs are failing to see that they are having an impact on the civil liberties of those who do not hold their beliefs. And they don’t care because to their mind it is God’s Will. To them the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God.

The wall of separation has already started to erode and the First Amendment is at an ever increasing risk of being devalued and who knows? One day it could even be removed.

The day that Jefferson’s Wall falls,
the happy bluebird will have flown away,
and it will be America’s Darkest Day.


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Thomas Jefferson was not an athiest...it's obvious that he believed that God endowed us with the rights he so elloquently outlined. I do think that religion, that is to say churches, has to stay out of politics. But faith, the principles of the belief in an ultimate consequence to life, doing right not wrong, loving your neighbors and so on MUST dictate our government. So...it's a fine line we have to walk...like that bid on the fence...that can fly wither way.

Sunday 19 August 2007 - 03:48AM (PDT)

I agree with you, and feel that the extreme right wing evangelists are fanatics, and as such, are dangerous, as they preach that their way is the only way. Fanaticism of any religion (or lack of such) is inflamatory, and leaves no room for differences. This frightens me.....

Sunday 19 August 2007 - 08:34AM (CDT)

Thanks Anne for your comment. Perhaps it appears as a fine line if those morals are seen as religious. I believe we can hold a very good set of morals and values without subscribing to religion and so for me I don't see a fine line. I'm a great respector of religion and of people's faiths.

However I have come to recognize over the years that within some sections of certain religions there are extreme beliefs which can infringe on the civil rights and liberties of persons who choose not to follow them and I consider that when these particular beliefs are imposed on others we have immoral and unjust actions that the First Amendment was designed to protect citizens of the US from.

I'm a strong supporter of the principles Jefferson laid down and men in his time sacrificed their lives to establish these principles. When I see what appears to be happening in US government now, then I consider that the principles of the First Amendment and religious freedom are being eroded away. American citizens should treat this matter with all seriousness and urgency.

Sunday 19 August 2007 - 01:46PM (GMT)

Donna, thanks... it frightens me too.

Sunday 19 August 2007 - 02:00PM (GMT)

Good Blog!

Wednesday 22 August 2007 - 12:16AM (CDT)


i have not abandoned you. but that is too much of something that might make sense to me right now... and my eyes r tired and my heart hurts so i will be back later to read the greatness in which you spew...

Wednesday 22 August 2007 - 07:52PM (CDT)

Don't worry Sai. I know you will come back in the goodness of time.

Saturday 25 August 2007 - 07:33AM (GMT)